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By: The Flurry around Seth’s “Ads, Tip Jar” Meme

The Flurry around Seth’s “Ads, Tip Jar” Meme — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:46:25 +0000

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By: Greg Melton

Greg Melton — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:29:02 +0000

How about CPD (cost per duration) as a viable alternative to CPC, CPA, CPM? We’ve developed a widget which allows anyone to sponsor your content. This can be used in the exact same way as Seth is talking about. If you’d like to tip a site then upload an image and set an amount. Your sponsor runs for 30-days and there is no click-fraud with our system. Everyone wins. The publisher gets an alternative revenue stream and the sponsor get’s promotion, unlimited impressions, and possible click-thrus for 30-days. Great thread!

By: David

David — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:45:22 +0000

Chuffy – Iâ€™m not sure *you* can tell me how you can view *MY* content on your computer.

This is the reason why paid posts are getting more and more popular. Shame really.

As for clicking on ads. It is definitely a strange system we have going with the CPC, CPA, CPM models, click/don’t click. It would be nice if only those interested in a particular ad clicked on them, and that there was no need for CPM so we could show ads to only those that “wanted” to see them, but that’s not how things work.

I hate ad blocking software, but for certain ads, I can understand why people use them. Ads shouldn’t take away from a user experience. Shaking ads, oddly animated ads, ads that talk… OI! But a simple static, or two frame gif ad shouldn’t be blocked.

Just my two cents…

By: Dave

Dave — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:51:45 +0000

Encoraging people to click on PPC ads is most definitely unethical and against the ToS of Google and every other PPC program I’ve seen.

For people who want to have an online “tip jar” I suggest the following:
1) Amazon’s Honor System
2) Have a link where people can “tip” you directly through PayPal
3) Add PPA (pay-per-action) affiliate links and encourage visitors to “buy from my sponsors”

I especially encourage the win-win-win situation of #3: site owner gets a commission, advertiser gets a sale, site visitor gets a product in addition to tipping the site owner.

By: Hany

Hany — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:51:23 +0000

Colin, there’s a big difference between you seeing my site on a Blackberry (where you wouldn’t have a choice to block/view ads) and you actively blocking ads on my site. They may both hurt me but one is not directly your fault and out of your hands.

And I agree with you 100% on the first point you made.

By: Colin

Colin — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:45:17 +0000

My $0.02 on the two issues under discussion.

1) Encouraging users to click on ads is a violation of the TOS. End of story there.

2) You can’t dictate how I view your site. Sorry. I rely on web ads as well and this is just a reality. If I view your site with my BlackBerry, I don’t get ads either – is that against the ‘rules’?

By: Chuffy

Chuffy — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:46:36 +0000

I think you’ll find you are mistaken. I’ve gone through this with you several times now and I can’t keep on repeating myself in new and evermore exciting ways, so I’ll just leave it at that.

You don’t get it, you probably never will, and, in the end, all you can do is tell your users to do as you say or shove off – and that can only hurt you.

By: Ahmed

Ahmed — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:31:01 +0000

Complaining about what people are doing?

If someone came on your property and crapped – would you be angry? Or would you think “oh well its what people will do”

A website is the same thing. If I want to put ads on *MY* site you can either abide by the ads or get the hell of my site. There is no ifs-buts about that. My property, my rules.

By: Chuffy

Chuffy — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:29:25 +0000

Well, Hany, how you pay for your site is not my concern. It’s yours. This goes back to what I said before about the ineffectiveness of complaining about what you think people should be doing. I’m not going to degrade my browsing experience just so an advertiser will pay you $0.003-$0.005 because you decided to use (often very annoying and intrusive) pay-per-impression advertising on your site.

If this is somehow a serious issue for you then clearly you’ll have to do something. Now, there’s an easy way and a hard way to learn that making your users feel like thieves is not the “something” I’m talking about and, not surprisingly, a rather bad idea. I’m trying to make it easy for you and you’re not paying attention.

If this isn’t really a serious issue for you and you’re simply the sort of person who likes to tell people what they should and shouldn’t do, then I doubt there’s much anyone can do to help you. You’re bound to alienate your user base sooner or later – assuming you haven’t already done so.